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If he and his wife have an "arrangement," who cares?

That man has a face like a horse! (And I'm kidding). I love John Travolta, I could care less if he's gay or hetero. Might have to watch 'Michael' now.

He does! A face like a horse eating an apple through a wire fence, sucking on a lemon! I'm kidding, too.

I have to say, I'm a little disappointed. I so wanted him all to myself one fine day. I never believed the rumors.

{{choke}} Renee, I swear, if I die inhaling coffee while reading one of your posts, you're going to have to show at my funeral and explain yourself!!!! hahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

I've heard these 'both ways' rumors about Travolta for a long time now. I like his movies.

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Many years ago, the Enquirer ran a prominent story about Mr. Travolta's relationship with 'model / adult film star,' Paul Barresi. He's pictured here. In that interview, Mr. B. explained that Mr. Travolta confided to him that he did enjoy sex with other men, but only if the male partner, was heterosexual. If that sounds like an oxymoron, remember that male prostitues who've taken part in studies, insist that 85% of their clients, are married men.

I wish somebody would explain this to me. If a man has a male sexual partner, isn't he NOT heterosexual? Denial! They should at least cop to "bi."

I'm not sure if anyone can answer that question. Some of Hollywood's most legendary lotharios, are said to have experimented sexually, with other men. Errol Flynn, is one example. Sammy Davis Jr., is another.

And let's not forget about Laurence Olivier. As you know, he was married to Vivien Leigh . . . strong rumors persist, that Lord O. had a love affair, with Danny Kaye. A London theater critic was infatuated with Lord Olivier. Could have been something between them, as well. Remember, too: Vivien Leigh said flat out that she preferred that her husband find sexual adventure with other men, rather than with another woman.

I would like to see the photo of JT kissing that "unknown man". THEN and only then will I believe it!
:-)

You know what, amjack? Nowadays, it's difficult even to trust photos . . . you just about have to BE, there.

Well ya know what Armanis? I agree completely! I'm in Missouri, the "Show Me" state. :-)

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Right!

Amjack, if you google "travolta kiss" you will find the photos all over the place.

As for whether this is evidence he's gay or bi or whatever ... maybe, maybe not, but it doesn't matter to me. I enjoy his acting and if he's that well-balanced, then good for him. And if he kisses a man in public, he's not terribly worried about people thinking he's gay, and again, good for him.

Why would a man only want to have sex with a "heterosexual" (identified) guy? Could be he's attracted to the unquestioned masculine image/aura/identity - a "man's man" - as opposed to softer, more androgynous "out" gay men.

Even some gay men are only interested in other "straight-appearing" gay men ... you often see that phrase in gay personal ads.

Thanks, BooBoo. I googled and have seen the photo now.

Click to view attachmentClick to view attachmentcaribou . . . can you understand why a woman would want her husband to engage in affairs with other men, rather than with another woman?

Hmm ... I've never known a woman who felt that way, but (theorizing) if he's a guy who is quite attached to his het identity, and only wants to have sex with "straight" men, there's not much chance he'll fall in love with one of them and leave her to set up house with him!

I've heard lots of men express a parallel sentiment, though, that they wouldn't mind if their wife/girlfriend had sex with another woman ... it wouldn't threaten them like an affair with a man would (and the very idea of it titillates them, in a way the reality might not...)

I give up, why?

If my husband was "seeing other men", I don't know that I'd divorce him, but we most certainly would have separate rooms from that day forward!!! Just the thought of.....ick!...shudder!...Not to mention every medical test one could think of!

Anyway. I remember that big expose by Paul Baressi in the tabloids, which was quickly swept under the rug and disappeared without a trace because JT's rep pooh-poohed it and said "Mr. T is a happily married man". Which he is! I remember thinking at the time that a) Paul Baressi is one ugly dude, and b) couldn't JT do better? Put a bag over his head, at least!

As long as there is ignorance and intolerance in this world, there will be closeted men and women.
It makes me sick to my stomach to read about gays being "cured". Cure means there was something wrong to begin with.
That some gays and lesbians actually believe deep down inside that there is anything wrong with them makes me want to scream.
Diabetes needs a cure. So do cancer, AIDS, MS, ALS, paralysis and millions of other things that hurt, cripple and cause suffering to so many people.

Homosexuality, bisexuality? What a laugh! If they were left alone and given the respect owed any human being, and not judged, berated and discrimminated against every five minutes by the well intentionned crowd of maximus ignoramus that plague the earth, absolutely noone, straight, gay or bi, would suffer any ill effects.

And maybe men like Travolta and countless other people wouldn't feel the need to live straight in public to hide who they are.
Maybe wives wouldn't be left after years of unfulfilling marriage because their husbands came out and could no longer live a lie.
Maybe children wouldn't have to adjust to "mommie left daddy and now she has a girlfriend" while other kids makefun of them because of the odious craap they hear from their straight, "perfect' parents.

I know I'm ranting but this really pi$$es me off.
Who cares who sleeps with whom? CONSENTING ADULTS.

There are enough problems around not to worry about other people's love lives, already.
Now could we please fix poverty and starvation, for starters?

I'm not a huge Travolta fan, but as long as he's not going around passionately kissing children, I don't care who he kisses.

Does anyone remember, way back in the late 70s...when he was dating Diana Hyland, the actress who played the mother on "Eight is Enough"?
Hyland died of cancer a few years after they first met, and he was literally torn apart. There was quite an age difference between the two of them.
He wasn't really seriously 'involved' with another woman....until he started seeing Marilu Henner, and, again, there was a bit of an age difference.

I was rather young at the time he was dating Hyland...and other than really seeing him in...and enjoying his work in "Saturday Night Fever"...I didn't really know him all that well.
However, when she passed away, his grief was so raw...I was touched by it...and found his demeanor afterwards quite endearing.

No, we can't, actually, although it's a noble goal. It's not what this thread's about, either, incidentally.



I did know a woman who preferred her husband find his entertainment in other men. It worked out nicely for them. She said it was because she didn't feel jealousy or feel threatened, which she would if he showed attention to other women. That, to me, also sounds like something Vivienne Leigh would say, do you think, Armanis?



I knew another woman who preferred bi men.



Takes all kinds to make a world, isn't it fun?

Great post The Entity. If only, eh?

I think the thing about some men saying they only want to have sex with 'straight' men is part and parcel of homoshame: they identify gay desires with femininity, and want to counter that with 'real man' sex. There are loads of gay men who devote hours to giving themselves the body of a masculine ideal in order to seem more manly I guess (not that there's anything psychologically wrong with working out, but there can be some daftness lying behind it). Funny thing is they can still be 'butch on the streets, femme between the sheets', so macho identity only goes so far. One day, all of us might be normal...

You really pinpointed it very well, Leopoldo. I agree with what you said. Gay men do all this stuff to be all very masculine, working out, dressing as butch/masculine as possible but when it comes to the sexual side and even living at home side, they can definitely have the feminine touch. Not like that's a bad thing at all. I think it's great to stay in shape and keep up one's appearance. I am starting to work out with weights again since I've been doing cardio for so long (don't plan to stop the cardio). But what you wrote is so true, so very true. There is a LOT of OVERCOMPENSATION in the gay community to be more masculine and it's a sin if you're not so masculine, like being in the middle. I don't consider myself a very butch man, I'm pretty much in the middle of things. I don't consider myself overly butch nor over femme. I'm in the middle. In fact, I hate labelling of one's self in the grand scheme of things anyway. I am what I am and that's all there is to it.

Oh, now regarding John Travolta......I just don't care for him. I never have and I never will. He's a bit overrated if you want to know how I feel about him. It's purely obvious that his marriage to Kelly Preston is a marriage of convenience. But if it works for them so be it, good for them. I consider Kelly Preston a very untalented actress too. She's just on the coattails of her hubby and why not? He's an A-lister in Hollywood. She's no dummy.

Okay, I just looked at the kiss photo. To be honest, it doesn't look like much of anything to me. I was expecting to see a major lip-lock. I know that men in some cultures do kiss on the lips when they are saying hello or goodbye, etc. Maybe it's nothing (?)

Click to view attachmentCatie, I'd forgotten about Mr. T. and Dyana Hyland! Notice how I tend to remember the lurid facts, rather than the great-hearted ones? Oh, that was sad about Dyana H!

Fulltilt, Viv had lots of emotional problems. And, as has been true of a number of beauties . . . she was frightfully insecure about her looks. Yes, I can picture Viv saying this. In a rapid fire blur of words, too.

This is a fascinating, endless well into which all of us can dip. Why in lockerrooms, do heterosexual men drink soda, in the nude? Why do they have conversations, in the nude? Why do their eyes often fall to their companions' private parts, at least for a second? Sometimes, more. I have seen all of this, inside college lockerrooms. Why must boxers, be weighed ENTIRELY, nude? Come on, don't tell me a tiny bikini makes that much difference. These weigh-ins, are carried out in public, before an audience! I've seen photos of Oscar de la Hoya, totally nude before a crowd, during his weigh-in, for a fight. What, gives?
What about my coach? You've seen him. What business did he have, strutting his stuff naked, in front of seventh graders? Why were we forced into compulsory nude swimming? I'll never figure that one, out.
Then, there's Errol Flynn. A man who had bedded the world's most beautiful and glamorous women . . . had sex with Truman Capote, if we're to believe Capote's claims. Bizarre. Or, is it?

Just a tidbit.....Henner and Travolta met and dated in the early 1970's when they were both in the touring company of "Grease". I believe that it was both of theirs first professional job.The are roughly the same age. They did get back together for a short time after Hyland passed but it didn't work out. They are today, the best of friends.Don't ask me how or why I know this.

Click to view attachmentThanks, Tommaso!! But Enquiring minds, want to know!!

Ah, ya got me there. I really didn't follow his life or career, but remembered Hyland (I really liked her)...and was very intrigued with their romance. She, for the record, was eighteen years his senior.
I reckon he did act in Grease, prior to being on television, and I believe it was in a minor part. Didn't realize he and Henner dated back then. And, you're right. She's only two years older than him. I guess it was his baby face that made me think otherwise.
:-)

Nor have I, really. But Henner wrote a tell-all autobiography several years ago and while doing talks shows promoting the book, she told the story ad nauseam.

I think his wife Kelly Preston is gorgeous! I love what she does with her charity work. What a beautiful woman!

What's the big deal? It's only plumbing.

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'Were tongues, involved?'

Is it getting warm in here :D ?

I just Googled the photo. Not very noteworthy. John's gettin kinda porky, though.

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'Aw, [email="!@#$"]!@#$[/email] that's nothin' . . . '

The impression I get from Travolta is that he is a hedonist and enjoys all the pleasures of the flesh, especially food and sex. He talked about losing his virginity at the age of 12, I think, to a black girl and commented on how black women just loved sex. So I'm guessing he's turning to men for a sexual thrill. After all, who knows better how to please a man sexually than another man? I'm sure he loves his wife and family. I wonder if Travolta is a Scorpio. They can be sex maniacs.

Bets he was necking with Tom Cruise

Well, this is a very amusing thread. : - ) I really liked Travolta in Grease, Saturday Night Fever and Urban Cowboy although not a fan of his recent movies.

I Googled for a photo of this "kiss" - I'm howling. The photo was snapped in my hometown - Hamilton, Ontario! A steeltown with a small airport - apparently Travolta has been flying in and out of it in his private jet for, I believe, film work he was doing in the area. I can't wait to see if my local paper reports anything tomorrow on this gossip.

Actually, he is an Aquarius, born February 18. Maybe his Venus is in Scorpio, though?

I believe that in a lot of cultures, including many Latin ones, a man can have sex with another man and not consider himself gay, or be considered gay by other people, if he's either on the receiving end of oral sex, or the giving end of sex involving penetration.

Can anyone more knowledgeable than me confirm or qualify this?

So he's not gay if he's a top. Curioser and curiouser!

Sounds like an obvious way to deny reality.

I agree that the pic really entails nothing. I've got girfriends that I've been a whole lot more physically intimate with than that photo depicts and we don't sleep with eachother...so...much ado about not much where the photo is concernced.

Sexuality is such a complex thing. It includes so many different layers, influences, moods, concepts. It includes light and shadow and the culmination of our lifetime of experiences with sexuality good and bad and also how we have interpreted all of that, you know? There is masculine and feminine in all of us and I don't think it's that much of a stretch, for example, for a hetero man to be curious about what a masculine energy feels like sexually. Maybe something really masculine, maybe something more blurred like a gay man who has some masculine characteristics or likes to play a more male role in lovemaking. I guess what I am trying to say is that we seem desperate to label things and to have everything be so black and white and if it's not it freaks us out. There is no right or wrong between consenting adults, in my opinion, and there is also no such thing really as "normal". Normal is just what it socially accepted and/or what we are personally willing to accept within ourselves. I think alot more people are curious about alot more variations than they would ever be comfortable admitting.

Don't believe me? Post something like that where you suspect people will can't deal with the ambiguity and then watch them make a huge fuss denying it....LOL

I fully agree with The Entity's post on page 1.

I finally saw a photo of "the kiss".

*yawn*

My concern is about ambiguity in language, not ambiguity in sexual matters. I absolutely don't care who does what with whom regarding sexual matters. Labels are useful things in that they're a shorthand we can use with one another, and I like direct communication. It would be nice to be able to say in a word or two what your preferences are. But there can't be any clear communication if the meanings of the words are not consistent. So my post was a bit of a highjack, and not meant to be judgmental in any way about John Travolta's or anybody else's sexual behavior.



I find it interesting to talk about because I think all human behavior is interesting to talk about.

Interesting. I wasn't responding to your post in particular but I do agree that labels are "easier" in a way, but I also think they are a slippery slope. I guess it depends on how a person defines their sexuality. I have had homosexual people tell me that "straight" "gay" and "bi" are not about which gender you have sex with so much as which gender you fall in love with. I've been told you can sleep with both genders but actually be "straight" or "gay" in that you never fall in love with people of one of the genders.

I have straight girlfriends that have been with women many times that would not define themselves as bi, and not because they are in denial. They are actually quite fine and open about this play but maintain that while the encounters were certainly friendly and respectul, there was no potential of love involved...no deeper involvement of the heart.

That would be "bi-friendly." :-)

LOL. I see. I can't wait to tell my friend over tacos and screwdrivers Friday night. She'll like that. The timing and content of this thread is actually pretty funny to me, because said girlfriend just got a little drunk on Sunday night at a party she hosted and was "outing herself" as a bi-friend to the conservative neighbor couple she had invited because their boys play together. Good times.

*singing* Getting to know you, getting to know all about you ... :-)

Most Italian men that I know think nothing of hugging and kissing other men hello and good bye, much like most women do.

...and "Travolta" IS Italian...