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isabellabird
QUOTE (Cathleen56 @ Oct 15 2008, 07:02 PM) *
I didn't take this as a joke or a spoof, either, just a kind of cute, charming and humorous way of imparting pretty standard advice. The only thing I really disagree with is wearing clothes a half-size too small -- and she did say a half-size, not a size. But that's a reaction to a lot of women (and we American women are particularly guilty of this) wearing clothing that is actually too big for them.

Finally, "you must suffer to be pretty" isn't meant to be taken literally -- it's an aphorism that by definition gets at the truth of something which is, usually, the things that we are most comfortable wearing are not the things that are the most flattering on us.

So lately, inspired by a friend, I had been making an effort to wear more skirts and dresses. Usually, I'm completely devoted to pants (even though I can never find a pair I think doesn't make my a** look fat!). And I have to say that it's been eye opening, because when you wear a dress, you have to wear decent shoes, and then since you're already more "dressed up" than usual, why not take a little more care with jewelry, makeup, etc. And the reaction has been noticeable, both from men and women.


Oh, yes. Even with the same fabric and similar styling/details, you're already so much more dressed in a skirt than pants. And your point about the shoes is very well taken. I like feeling more presentable in the world and not so much like a schlub.

Also, I think you suffer a little less in skirts, or at least I do (but I admit I have no objection to panty hose), and they certainly help hide a fat a**.
PerfumeMe
Bring back the best of both worlds -- dress+pants=jumpsuit. I am probably one of the few who can wear one and I loved them back in the, what, Eighties? As easy as popping on a dress but no worries about shaving my legs!
Cathleen56
QUOTE (PerfumeMe @ Oct 15 2008, 06:53 PM) *
Bring back the best of both worlds -- dress+pants=jumpsuit. I am probably one of the few who can wear one and I loved them back in the, what, Eighties? As easy as popping on a dress but no worries about shaving my legs!



I got news for ya! Several designers showed jumpsuits for spring, enough to draw attention of the press. Go to www.style.com and check out the Spring 2009 fashion shows (if you're interested).

the jumpsuit is baa-a-a-a-ack!

PS This is not a look that works for me, though it's been a long time since I wore one. If I recall right the rear end is always too baggy. But if it works for you, you're right on time.
smelka
QUOTE (Cathleen56 @ Oct 16 2008, 10:02 AM) *
To which she would add:

[exasperated sigh]
[dramatic eye-roll]

And please...please, please, please...if you insist on being a b*a*l*l breaking b*itch.....wear Chanel No. 19".


I thought that she was adorable. Yes, her skin is not perfect, and her hair is a little wispy and stringy, but I attribute that to her youth. And I don't think that she was trying to tell us all to wear the same dress, the same makeup, the same beads. She was just saying not to be afraid of going outside our comfort zone -- wear a dress if you usually wear pants, if you are putting on three different kinds of eyemakeup every day, try a little less, and the beads were just an example of the general admonition to buy basic clothes and then make them your own with accessories.

I didn't take this as a joke or a spoof, either, just a kind of cute, charming and humorous way of imparting pretty standard advice. The only thing I really disagree with is wearing clothes a half-size too small -- and she did say a half-size, not a size. But that's a reaction to a lot of women (and we American women are particularly guilty of this) wearing clothing that is actually too big for them.

Finally, "you must suffer to be pretty" isn't meant to be taken literally -- it's an aphorism that by definition gets at the truth of something which is, usually, the things that we are most comfortable wearing are not the things that are the most flattering on us.

So lately, inspired by a friend, I had been making an effort to wear more skirts and dresses. Usually, I'm completely devoted to pants (even though I can never find a pair I think doesn't make my a** look fat!). And I have to say that it's been eye opening, because when you wear a dress, you have to wear decent shoes, and then since you're already more "dressed up" than usual, why not take a little more care with jewelry, makeup, etc. And the reaction has been noticeable, both from men and women.

I agree with you, Cathleen she is a pleasantly looking young woman, nothing glamorous about her, yet she has charm, her delivery is very pleasant, and light , the way she said ' If you want to be comfortable stay in bed in your pajamas" - was said with light hearted humor, her advice was nothing new , who doesn't know that black is slimming ? Or that you have to suffer a little to be beautiful ? Why, just yesterday I went to wax my legs.... I suffered! LOL! -basically the message is - enjoy your femininity I'm puzzled by the rebuke she received. . .
smelka
QUOTE (PerfumeMe @ Oct 16 2008, 10:53 AM) *
Bring back the best of both worlds -- dress+pants=jumpsuit. I am probably one of the few who can wear one and I loved them back in the, what, Eighties? As easy as popping on a dress but no worries about shaving my legs!




I loved it in the 80s, it was so easy! You were dressed in seconds, no trying on different tops, like I do now!
Twitchly
QUOTE (Cathleen56 @ Oct 15 2008, 07:02 PM) *
The only thing I really disagree with is wearing clothes a half-size too small -- and she did say a half-size, not a size. But that's a reaction to a lot of women (and we American women are particularly guilty of this) wearing clothing that is actually too big for them.


I'd always heard that it was more slimming to wear clothing just a teensy bit larger rather than smaller. No tent-like caftans or anything, but slightly looser rather than tighter. As far as I can tell, that's good advice. Wearing clothes too small is what I see most younger women doing right now, and unless you're quite slim it's not a good look.

Morticia Addams
Cliche'. Possibly a bit dated. It's doubtful anybody over 18 should be wearing a dress over leggings. That's a great look on little girls! I've always had an hourglass figure so dresses and skirts are what I wear. When I was in my teens and 20s I wore jeans to good effect.

Cathleen, I agree:
"Finally, "you must suffer to be pretty" isn't meant to be taken literally -- it's an aphorism that by definition gets at the truth of something which is, usually, the things that we are most comfortable wearing are not the things that are the most flattering on us. "

It take work to put on make-up, do our hair and all that. It took no work at all in my 20s to look fine, some work in my 30s. But age robs us of brightness, tightness and colour.
SandraL
My mother used to say, "Beauty knows no pain."

If by "leggings" she means, "opaque pantyhose," I'm all for it. The opacity hides many problems.
Perfumefanatic
Smelka, loved those photos! Could you please post the link so I could view some more? All I get from photojug is videos.
smelka
QUOTE (Perfumefanatic @ Oct 17 2008, 05:57 AM) *
Smelka, loved those photos! Could you please post the link so I could view some more? All I get from photojug is videos.




here's the page I got the photos from. It is the site of Russian expatriates that live in France, one of them, amateur photographer, just made photos of different women on the streets of Paris - young , old, different nationalities , when you go to that site, there would be also discussions in Russian, ignore it (unless you can read Russian smile.gif) and just stroll down the page - there would be more photos.



http://www.infrance.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=44117
Perfumefanatic
QUOTE (smelka @ Oct 17 2008, 04:59 AM) *
here's the page I got the photos from. It is the site of Russian expatriates that live in France, one of them, amateur photographer, just made photos of different women on the streets of Paris - young , old, different nationalities , when you go to that site, there would be also discussions in Russian, ignore it (unless you can read Russian smile.gif) and just stroll down the page - there would be more photos.



http://www.infrance.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=44117


Thanks, Smelka! Reminds me of when I lived there, briefly in 1985. Like taking a walk thru the streets of Paris:-)
smelka
QUOTE (Perfumefanatic @ Oct 18 2008, 02:01 AM) *
Thanks, Smelka! Reminds me of when I lived there, briefly in 1985. Like taking a walk thru the streets of Paris:-)




I also lived there, in the early 90s, that's why I go to that site, pity, internet wasn't developed at that time yet.
SadieShade
It stinks with effort... LOL.

I got a lot of this advice, unsolicited, when I was staying in Paris last year. I was staying with two early-twenties French men, and they were always on my back about... well, if it wasn't the whole don't-wear-sneakers thing, it was the don't-get-too-dressed-up-either thing. There was always, several times daily, this little hand sneaking around to fix the back of my parka collar. The conversations would go something like this, "Don't you want to wear heels like the French women today?" "I don't know, darlin, how much driving do you feel like doing?" "Ah, now you sound French! Always with the 'drive me to the door, I have my heels on!'" "I hardly think this kind of logic is a regional specialty." "It is, it is, a French woman would take it as a given that she would be driven to the door and wear her heels without asking questions. Logic is so American!" "Oh." As for my male friend, he took a lot of ###### about the T-shirt he wore under his dress shirts.

Oh my God, it was constant. This brought me right back to the half-fond, half-irritated amusement I felt then.
rebecca1964
QUOTE (SadieShade @ Oct 20 2008, 07:59 PM) *
It stinks with effort... LOL.

I got a lot of this advice, unsolicited, when I was staying in Paris last year. I was staying with two early-twenties French men, and they were always on my back about... well, if it wasn't the whole don't-wear-sneakers thing, it was the don't-get-too-dressed-up-either thing. There was always, several times daily, this little hand sneaking around to fix the back of my parka collar. The conversations would go something like this, "Don't you want to wear heels like the French women today?" "I don't know, darlin, how much driving do you feel like doing?" "Ah, now you sound French! Always with the 'drive me to the door, I have my heels on!'" "I hardly think this kind of logic is a regional specialty." "It is, it is, a French woman would take it as a given that she would be driven to the door and wear her heels without asking questions. Logic is so American!" "Oh." As for my male friend, he took a lot of ###### about the T-shirt he wore under his dress shirts.

Oh my God, it was constant. This brought me right back to the half-fond, half-irritated amusement I felt then.



LOL, "this little hand sneaking around to fix the back of my parka collar."
smelka
QUOTE (SadieShade @ Oct 21 2008, 11:59 AM) *
It stinks with effort... LOL.

I got a lot of this advice, unsolicited, when I was staying in Paris last year. I was staying with two early-twenties French men, and they were always on my back about... well, if it wasn't the whole don't-wear-sneakers thing, it was the don't-get-too-dressed-up-either thing. There was always, several times daily, this little hand sneaking around to fix the back of my parka collar. The conversations would go something like this, "Don't you want to wear heels like the French women today?" "I don't know, darlin, how much driving do you feel like doing?" "Ah, now you sound French! Always with the 'drive me to the door, I have my heels on!'" "I hardly think this kind of logic is a regional specialty." "It is, it is, a French woman would take it as a given that she would be driven to the door and wear her heels without asking questions. Logic is so American!" "Oh." As for my male friend, he took a lot of ###### about the T-shirt he wore under his dress shirts.

Oh my God, it was constant. This brought me right back to the half-fond, half-irritated amusement I felt then.




It is simply a different culture, but, as the saying goes " When in Rome do as the Romans do".
Morticia Addams
Smelka, that was a funny site. I like THIS Parisian look. It's called 'Why try? Hijab solves all fashion dilemnas!'

rebecca1964
QUOTE (Morticia Addams @ Oct 22 2008, 10:08 PM) *
Smelka, that was a funny site. I like THIS Parisian look. It's called 'Why try? Hijab solves all fashion dilemnas!'



LOL! Yes, no standing at the closet wondering what you're going to wear, pulling things out and throwing them on the bed.
smelka



LOL! Another prove that black is slimming? What will maman say now?
smelka
QUOTE (rebecca1964 @ Oct 23 2008, 01:30 PM) *
LOL! Yes, no standing at the closet wondering what you're going to wear, pulling things out and throwing them on the bed.



- " Pulling things out and throwing them on the bed" and complaining" I've got nothing to wear!"
FiveoaksBouquet
I used to do the throw-things-on-the-bed routine until I changed method and I now write out possible outfits on paper while having my morning tea. The worst I end up with is a small pile of messy paper! biggrin.gif
frangipani
Nothing new - fashion editors have been saying the same thing for years. I didn't find her charming or clever and she wasn't outrageous enough to amuse me.
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