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Armanis
Click to view attachmentClick to view attachmentI can't resist . . . rasputin brought up the forties, pageboy . . . Joan, wore it. Lana, wore it. Betty Grable, wore it . . . June Allyson loved her pageboy, too.

Now how about the flip? Mary Tyler Moore, loved it. Patty Duke. Anne Margret. Dina Merrill.

So, which coiffe is more to your liking? I like them, both . . . but I think the flip has more 'problems,' attached to its construction. I used to love the 'English' flip, which was longer and less structured, than the flips women wore in America. Pageboys I think are more gracful, more flattering, to more faces. What say the rest of you?

Which of these coiffes, have you worn?
nubka
Oh man, I luuuuuv the flip! Especially the Marlo Thomas flip from That Girl !
Perfumefanatic
I too love the flip, but find my hair doesn't want to co-operate with that style. I had one golden moment at 10 yrs old when I got it to flip with hot rollers.

Nowadays if I do turn it one way or the other, it's usually under. That's flattering and seems to be the way the hair wants to go.
PerfumeMe
I've never liked the pageboy or it's contemporary incarnation, The Bob. Too prudish, too dull, too dowdy, too safe. Flips are sexy, wild, youthful and fun. But they take a lot of hairspray!
dorthea
I don't like any of them, but I had that red haired Barbie doll as a child. Her name was Midge.
sillage
Don't stop there, what about fingerwaves and those pin curls.

Some of us had trouble sleeping on those curlers until the arrival of the foam curler.

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sillage
CarnalVenom
Neither.
Rosebud
My Dad's sister was in High School when I was very young and I remember her wearing a flip. She set her hair on orange juice cans and I was very intrigued with her routine. I remember huge jars of Dippity-do in her bedroom, too. (She also was a Beatles freak and played them for us often). I was too young for The Flip when it was really popular...I had a pixie at my Mom's request. Later a shag which became popular from Jane Fonda, I think. Even later....the Dorothy Hamill 'do. My hair, btw, flips very easily...but I've rarely worn it flipped up, usually it was under.
FiveoaksBouquet
I have a preference for the pageboy. I try to get my hair in a turned-under style but it has a mind of its own: no matter what I do, one side goes under and the other side goes up!
Armanis
So interesting . . . I remember the orange juice cans . . . and something else, called . . . DEP. Does that ring a bell, rosebud?? Mary Tyler Moore's flip, used to fascinate me . . . she had a darned good head of hair, way back. On Dick Van Dyke, MTM'S flip went through a number of stages . . . by the time the show ended, 'Laura' was wearing a modified pageboy!

Mary's flip continued to 'develop', on her own, television series. She had some good hairdressers. Wasn't it wild that we were supposed to believe that Mary got up and did her hair like that, each morning?

Fiveoaks, I've seen Catherine Deneuve with pageboy on one side, and flip on the other . . . Marilyn Monroe, as well . . . and thanks for those great shots, nubka!
FiveoaksBouquet
QUOTE (Armanis @ Jun 25 2006, 11:00 PM) *
Fiveoaks, I've seen Catherine Deneuve with pageboy on one side, and flip on the other . . . Marilyn Monroe, as well . . .

I feel better now...
Armanis
Click to view attachment Fiveoaks, I have a full page shot, of this photo . . . Deneuve is wearing a magnificent, scarlet colored Saint Laurent, couture gown . . . I wish you could see the fit . . .
TovahAgain
QUOTE (FiveoaksBouquet @ Jun 25 2006, 07:34 PM) *
I have a preference for the pageboy. I try to get my hair in a turned-under style but it has a mind of its own: no matter what I do, one side goes under and the other side goes up!



Grrrr. Me too! I get a Flip on my left and a Pageboy on my right. It drives me nuts. I prefer the Pageboy, because, of course my hair is naturally curly, so it prefers the Flip. It's the nature of hair to disagree. I have my hair in a layered Semi-Sag Bob right now and as soon as it grows 1/2" the Flip-Page shows up. More grrrrr.

I had to sleep on those damned pink sponge curlers for my entire young childhood, too. My hair always curled the exact opposite direction from the curlers, no matter how much Dippity Do my mother put on my hair. I look at pictures now and I wonder what she was thinking!
Lady jicky
I like the flip . If you have a face like a basset hound a pageboy is not so forgiving.
Catie Ribbons
I prefer the modified pageboy. Not so trendy.
In high school I wore my hair in a longer pageboy, with bangs...then in later years I had the "Cleopatra cut" (I could swing my head and all of my hair went 'round in a single, silky 'sheet' -- oh those were the days!)...and then to the sort of stacked bob...with more of a weight-line...and the front longer, which they all called a "flapper cut"...
I loved the "flapper", 'cause every time I went into Dillards, Isabella Rosselini was still the 'Lancome Girl'...and she had her hair cut in that style...and all the SAs would fall all over me...calling me "Our Isabella".
Oh, boy, did I eat THAT up!!! *LOL*
Jicky
The flip hairstyle ages me dreadfully- will NEVER wear it.
Perfumefanatic
I love the Cleopatra cut and envy you Caty, for having hair that would
co-operate with that! So chic! When I straighten it, the Cleopatra is always my goal, but it somehow always looks more "Cosmo girl" Lol! This style is a classic:-) Also reminds me of Betty Page.
VelvetSky
My hair wouldn't do a flip or a pageboy, but I think those styles look cute.
isabellabird
Ugh, they're both horrible.

That said, speaking as impartially as I can manage and trying to get over my prejudices and ignoring the datedness of both, I think the flip is more flattering. The pageboy makes a face look chunky. The flip helps create a more perfect oval.

I'm mostly in favor of letting hair go its own way, curly or straight, with a cut to take advantage of its natural inclination. I hate tortured-looking hair.
caribou55313
QUOTE (FiveoaksBouquet @ Jun 25 2006, 09:34 PM) *
I have a preference for the pageboy. I try to get my hair in a turned-under style but it has a mind of its own: no matter what I do, one side goes under and the other side goes up!


took the words outta my mouth!
glorious1
I had both. I guess I'd have to pick the Marlo flip. I had the same thing.
Armanis
Glo, I can see you!!! Did you wear your sunglasses on your head, as well?
FiveoaksBouquet
Just wondering about something here... Do you think flip or pageboy would go with personality traits? Outgoing or more introspective? Wondering if there's any correlation. Armanis have you ever observed any detectable tendencies like this in your photos of glamorous celebrities--hair matched with acting style or seriousness of role?
glorious1
I SWEAR that I still have dents in my head from sleeping on those curlers. I still sleep in one position all night long because I got so used to it when I found a comfortable spot to sleep in!


OF COURSE I wore my sunglasses on my head. Didn't everybody?
Armanis
Glo, we need PHOTOS!!!!

Well, Fiveoaks, I know that my mother, never liked a flip. She did wear a pageboy, early in her life . . . after thirty, Mother began to wear her hair, 'up.' Personally, I do think that a flip makes a 'happier' statement than does a pageboy, which I find to be more serene, and 'into' itself.

During HUMORESQUE, Joan wore a 'modified,' flip . . . or maybe it was more of a 'feather edge,' as my mother called it. Bette Davis wore a semi-flip, during All About Eve . . . it looked great on her.
helg
I am not crazy about the "stylised" shape of either. They are too solid, too restricted. I only think restricted works well with geometrical cuts to begin with ( the Vidal Sasoon bob or the Louise Brooks cut).

If I had to choose, I'd say Flip. It's more forgiving to the face, I think downward moves on hair tend to drag the features down too and make one look older and "heavier". It's a myth that hair at the sides helps hide chubby cheeks or jawls. (It's the cut and not the extra hair that accounts for the illusion when and if it's succesful)

I prefer to keep rather long hair and either make "waves" on it, with a side part or straighten it (slightly layered cut).
When I wear it up, I prefer a not too contrived 'do. But that's just me. And I have easy hair, they do what I like, no problems.
Armanis
helg, the latest runway looks call for HARRIED, HAIR. Artfully messed ponytails, drooping chignons, spiked 'spit curls.' Whatever turns one on, of course . . . I like a tousled look, myself . . . but I'm too old for it, and don't have the requisite amount of hair. Not, anymore.
helg
QUOTE (Armanis @ Jun 26 2006, 03:28 PM) *
helg, the latest runway looks call for HARRIED, HAIR. Artfully messed ponytails, drooping chignons, spiked 'spit curls.' Whatever turns one on, of course . . . I like a tousled look, myself . . . but I'm too old for it, and don't have the requisite amount of hair. Not, anymore.


OK not completely messed up, LOL...I prefer a bardot mess-up do.

On a discerning person like you, I'm sure hair completes the precise and stylish appearence.
Armanis
Click to view attachmentClick to view attachmentClick to view attachmentWell, for me personally, I'm too old except to wear my hair in a conservative style, or to shave it off my head, completely. For women, I think it's fun to experiment. If tousled looks good on you, go for it! My personal preference, however, and this is just ME . . . is for very sleek, severe hairdos. I think that's part of my Mediterranean background, talking. Also, I love women in hats . . . and that's how hats look best . . .
helg
If one has a very thin neck, such a severe style is actually very alluring.

She looked fab!! Wonder why she "destroyed" her good looks.
LisasAura
I like them both, but I like the modern bob better. For my hair, it's easier to do the flip than the turned-under bob, but it will be coaxed into either style, but it always tends to wave at the temple on one side. Thank heaven for chemical straightening in a few weeks...
Armanis
LA . . . what's left of my hair, always waves at the right temple!! Can NOT get that wave, to say good-bye.

helg . . . Cher used to be very dramatic, and chic . . . I never missed one segment of the Sonny and Cher, Comedy hour . . . not, one. She was on the best dressed list, AND, on the best coiffed list. This did not last for long, however . . . soon Cher became a fixture on the worst dressed list . . . and worst, coiffed list. LOL. helg . . . go to Youtube.com . . . and search for Sonny and Cher videos. You can watch Cher, sing this song, from back in 1972!
salinqmind
I have always loved the pageboy and every hairdresser I've ever gone to, whining for "something new", has suggested it . My arms seem to have been too short in the past to manage the styling necessary, but they must have grown longer because I can now manage a pageboy on my own! Hooray! I'm too old for the tousled/justoutofbed/cut it myself with cuticle scissors/scrunched/messy look. So, pageboy it is - though it does flip up on one side, as others have mentioned! I can live with that.

I abhor the Mary Tyler Moore flip. I think it looks juvenile and dated and dorky (on me, anyway). I feel like I should be wearing white go-go boots, a miniskirt, and a shirt with great big daisies splattered all over. Cute in 1964, not 2006!
Demetrue
My hair is wavy and depending upon the length, it will either flip up (usually when I don't want it to), or curl under - I prefer it to curl under in a page boy or bob ... I love the Veronica Lake look, and since I am blind in one eye, as long as I get the wave to go in front of the "bad eye", it works!
rasputin
I like a pageboy... especially with a 40's-style ornamental beaded snood. A short-sleeved button up blouse and 1940's flared trousers... Very "Rosie The Riveter" period...

But I do love the flip... even an exaggerated one, like Marlo Thomas's on THAT GIRL.

I like the sort of overdone "parody" of a flip that Renee Zellweger wears in the recent movie DOWN WITH LOVE. I say "parody" because her hairdo is stiff as a board... it doesn't sway at all, ha-ha.
joules6
FLIP it good! Dippidy Do and Dep were both good products for those great styles. Hey, what was the difference between the green and the pink versions?

My hair is poker straight and fine, but plentiful, so
make mine a shag!
Boxwood
I have a long face, brown eyes, dark brown hair, and wear it in a shoulder-length flip, much like the photo shown of Claudine Longet, for those who remember her. My hair is fine but very thick, quite shiny and healthy, with just a few strands of gray. For years I had permed short hair, then got sick of it.

I've been putting it up in a twist lately, but I think I look a bit frumpy, flip or twist.
Armanis
Click to view attachmentHi, Boxwood!! A long face, is a challenge . . . I can see why you'd like the flip; it's flattering to you. As for feeling frumpy . . . perhaps posture lessons, are something to consider . . .
LisaCarol
I prefer this "mix" of the both, pageboy up front with a hint of flip at the back:
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There are better photos of it, but I can't find them right now. Have been doing my very best to copy this style, sometimes I manage, but mostly not. How on earth do you manage to keep the curls in place?? Anyways, right now my hair is too long for it, so this summer I'm doing the "ponytail/bun - ribbon in my hair" look.
Catie Ribbons
Here'a one of the first famous 'flippers'.
Colleen Corby, a 'super-model' all throughout the sixties and early seventies.
She was as cute as a bug's ear, and even though I was just a little thing...I always had to smile at how adorable she was, on all of those covers...and in the Sears catalog.

Armanis
Oh, I remember this young lady, very well! Adorable . . . I'd say Colleen would look splendid in MANY, different hairstyles . . . btw: doesn't she look, a little like Vivien Leigh?
glorious1
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Armanis
Click to view attachmentGLO, YOU LOOKED ADORABLE!!!! Thanks, for the photo . . .
glorious1
That was QUITE some time ago as I was 19.
Armanis
Well, you were just as cute as can, be . . . a perfectionist in appearance, and grooming. That's quite clear.
bergamot
Well, my real choice would be a pixie-- my hair does not hold curl well-- but of the two options presented I'd prefer a less structured, shorter flip (more Alyson Hannigan of Buffy fame than Mary Tyler Moore).
Demetrue
glo - you looked so cute!!!
Armanis
Click to view attachmentDoes anyone remember the show, PHYLLIS? It starred Cloris Leachman. Her hair was always, beautifully styled on that show . . . I think Raquel Welch had great coiffes, too . . . some of them, were modified flips.
Fulltiltredhead
QUOTE (Armanis @ Jun 27 2006, 02:27 PM) *
Click to view attachmentDoes anyone remember the show, PHYLLIS? It starred Cloris Leachman. Her hair was always, beautifully styled on that show . . . I think Raquel Welch had great coiffes, too . . . some of them, were modified flips.


I've worn flips and pageboys. For me, flips are easier. My hair wants to do that. Keeping an even pageboy was harder.
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